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Frequently Asked Questions


Frequently Asked Questions

Kites
Kiting
Knots - as published by Peter Lynn in the August 2009 Newsletter

Girls Can't Fly Kites.

 

We'll they can't, not biggish ones anyway.

And it's all men's fault- and I expect that about half of you knew this already.

But apart from this being a foundation principle of human society, why exactly is it men's fault?

 

Specifically, as for all activities that they're less able at, by generally being smaller and weaker, women can't fly big kites like men can because they don't get enough sex,  - except , it's more a consequence than a cause.

 

Now do I have your attention?

 

If bonobos (pigmy chimpanzees)  flew kites, their females would not be less enabled than males- because there's almost no sexual dimorphism amongst bonobos- they're the same size and strength. On the other hand, female gorillas could only be exponents of Sotich size miniatures by comparison to silverbacks (males) that are three or four times their mass. The reason for this difference is that gorilla males are harem keepers but bonobos make Haight Ashbury like unto a nunnery- they're at it all the time and in every possible combination.

 

Gorilla males are bulked up so they can chase off rival males- and maintain exclusive access to their harem.  Being males, you can bet that they don't then expend any more energy than absolutely necessary pleasuring their ladies.

But B

bonobo males compete by the size of their testes, and by being great lovers- hoping to get a shot home now and then by frequency and shear volume- rather than dominating by size and aggression. 

Our species is sort of middling.  Human males have had a bob each way; some harem keeping when opportunity arises (Chingis Khan has some 14m descendants now)  a bit of monogamy when it suits, but big enough testes to see off occasional competition.

So, sorry ladies, you've been condemned by evolutionary development to flying midi's.

But it doesn't have to be like this forever.

The present stroppy lady culture would, for sure,  provide sufficient selection pressure to cut males back down to size if sustained for long enough (1000 generations?).

 

And there's something else that would help a LOT quicker than this.

 

Learn to tie knots!

 

There's a train of maxi's up and something goes wrong requiring that the main line gets de-tensioned for long enough to re-do some knot. This is a very common situation- happens a few times every flying day.  In stronger winds, it's almost impossible to do solo; requires two people.  So, I can take the tension, and I can undo and re-tie whatever has to be done, but I can't do both at the same time.  If the other person is female, they won't be able to hold the line tension ('cos they haven't had enough sex), AND they usually won't know how to tie knots.

 

This bit we can fix right now;

 

Just four knots cover almost all situations; larks head, bow line, keeper, and sheet bend (with variants).  

(The second most annoying person you ever meet on the kite field are those with some special complicated knot they MUST show you.)

The definition of a useful knot is one that develops as much of the line strength as possible, can be tied one handed (while the other holds the line tension) and doesn't come undone UNTIL YOU WANT IT TO!.  This last is the key bit, knots must be easy to untie, even after line breaking tension.

THE most annoying person on the kite field ties some stupid knot while you're not watching, usually a double overhand,  than buggers off  when it's time to undo it.  The only supporters they have in this world are dentists (Leathermans destroy line but teeth are excellent for extreme de-knotting ).

 

Larks heads are easy to tie, always easy to untie but only develop about half line strength.  Photo 1: Larks head and keeper knot on a bowline.

 

Bowlines do a bit better- but are harder to tie , and require a bit of technique to undo (always possible though) - push the loop back up over the out-line  to loosen the remainder. Photo 2: Bowline

 

Sheet bends are easy to tie, are always undo-able, AND, in the double sheet bend form develop more line strength than larks heads or bowlines.  Photo 3: Sheet bend to line with keeper. Photo 4; sheet bend to bowline.  Photo 5: Double sheet bend. Photo 6:  Double sheet bend with doubled end for untying.

 

Some situations, especially with Spectra/Dyneema which is especially slippery, require a 'keeper' knot to prevent lines gradually working  thru (Photo 1 and others).

 

A knot you should NEVER  use (except sometimes) is a double overhand - easy to do, but impossible to undo, Photo 8: Double overhand.

 

In the last 5 years I've twice had a double sheet bend with doubled end (for quicker releasing, Photo 6) pull thru and let kites loose.   A total solution for this is to add a half hitch after the sheet bend, (Photo 7 ; Double sheet bend with doubled end and half hitch). but often when launching in the morning, wind is barely sufficient for flying , so gale secure knots are a long way from your thoughts.   

 

And there are just two more knot things to cover:

 

When tying off to a pole or similar; do a double loop around so that it won't slip up the pole as the kite apexes- and tether closest to the ground where the anchor's strongest.  Photo 9; Tethering

 

And, for tying off a kite or windsock to a kite line, a half hitch loop then a larks head (or use the loop to make a sheet bend of any variant ) does the job- holds without slipping and can always be untied later (Photo 10).

 

That's it ladies, all you need you know to be half expert at this- but don't give up on being stroppy just yet either, good things take time.

 

Peter Lynn, Ashburton, July 29 '09

Larks head (plus bowline and keeper)

Sheet bend (on bowline)

Sheet bend to line with keeper knot

Double sheet bend

Double sheet bend with doubled end to assist untieing

Double sheet bend with doubled and safety half hitch

Go around twice when anchoring

Hitch and larks head to attach extra kites to a line

 
Peter Lynn Twin Skins - I am new to Twin Skins and need some assistance.

Let's start by review a few things with Arc and then specifically Scorpions - most of which you probably know or have heard. - first off everyone that gets an Arc will have a few learning issues with launching, kites collapsing, rolling, clam shelling, line tangle on a tip etc - most of which is greatly reduced with experience and just being aware of some quirks and developing launch techniques to minimize these things.

For lines getting caught underneath or on a wingtip: - on gusty days running the lines straight back from the trailing edge of the kite (90 degrees from kite) will keep a flapping kite from tangling the wingtip and flying line. Then when ready to launch get the line under the velcro tab and walk back to the bar keeping a very slight tension on the line - it may pop out of the velcro but the main thing is a bit of tension on the wingtip line will keep the tip of kite from bouncing. When at the bar quickly hook up keeping that tension on and walk upwind to the correct launch angle.

Try and have as much air in the kite as possible before launching to get a solid kite shape. In winter the air seems to get pushed out of some kite quicker than others as they lay in launch position. I find my Scorpions tend to get more air pushed out the longer I leave them over some other Arc kites. Most Arc can still launch fairly well with 70% air and will fill easily. Scorpions get a little trickier with anything less than maybe 90%. With most arcs you can launch with the back lines slack but if the kite doesn't have enough air - especially with Scorpions - the kite will race forward too quickly and if the kite is mushy, as it approaches a high angle or is hit by a gust the soft leading edge will collapse, push down and the kite will bow tie. So with Scorpions, they can be a bit lazier getting the air in quickly so this overfly and collapse is one thing to watch for - hence a bit of tension on the rear lines so you can pull the kite back to stop it from accelerating forward too soon while it's soft.

Next is clam shelling and tips clapping - quickly yank the centre lines to open the kite up - always watch line tension on the Scorpions to make sure the kite doesn't get into a situation with all lines going slack (or any arc) because it will open up up, drift and twist.

Okay, next are inflation issues - You can pre-inflate a kite by blower etc but you really want to get the kite operating correctly inflating from the leading edge vents when flying. When the kite is new the tubes of nylon that form the snorkel valve off the vents are usually stuck together from packing and air will not open them up fully unless you physically go to each vent and try to grab that nylon tube through the upper and lower skins and pull each one open so that you actually see down through each vent to the inside of the kite. Next is to make sure these snorkel tubes do not pass between the lower skin and the internal webbing strap. Under tension in flight the strap will shut off the tubes. The tubes should be above the webbing strap. Inflating with a blower mass cause some of these vent tubes to twist up if blown from the inside.

Next is you strap settings - most people will ultimately want as most power and turning performance as possible out of the kite and will tension wingtip straps and loosen the centre strap - but if the kite is new and needs a bit of working in, i wouldn't start with straps tight until you've got some flying time on it and gradually tighten it up more. If it's tightened up and shooting forward and collapsing that's one part of many things.

The smaller kites are the twitchiest on launch. High gusty winds add complexity to launching. We fly small kites in hi gusty winds so this is when you need to have your whole routine down the best. Have you looked at your bridle setting on the VPC and ensure it's set up the same on both sides and not too aggressive?

Next the bar - With most bars (including PL) you have two things that create a range of power and bar movement. On most bars like this the amount of throw (how far the bar can move forward and backward) is about 12-18 inches. In a very rough description; if a kite has a power range of 1-10 (10 being max power) by fully pulling in the strap to depower the kite, when you move the bar in and out it might go to a maximum of 3 or 4 in power as you pass the kite through the power zone and pull the bar in. As you ease off on the strap and add some tension to rear lines that range of power now on the bar may go from 2 with the bar out to 6-7 when the bar is pulled in. Then with the strap fully out to max power, the bar out might depower to 4 and pull in to max power of 10. So that strap proved a range of power available to the throw of the bar - in the rough numbers I used above that range of power is about 6 (whether it's 1-7, 2-8, 3-9, 4-10). It's that throw of 18 inches that gives you that range of 6.

When we rework our bars to be set up like those used on SLE kites it does away with the two parts working in conjunction - instead you now have a bar with a throw that is arms length so you know have that full range of least power to maximum power available with one set-up rather needing to also look at strap setting. It doesn't mean it makes the kite work better it's just more convenient on the user end. So you can buy components and strip down and rebuild your bar, buy a bar already set up like this or use what you have but if it's one bar used on different kite sizes then you'll always have to keep in mind different setting for each kite (you will not pull in as much on smaller kites, you may need line extensions etc).

Overall I'd look at the intake ports on that 13 to make sure they are open then look at the conditions you are flying in and where you are launching from. Don't launch in a gusty area and stand around, get out and get moving for clean air flow on the kite.

Hope some of this helps a little, Mark G - Kiter Extraordinaire

Peter Lynn Scorpion kite launch - I have a Peter Lynn Scorpion and have kite collapsing during my launches.
  • From Arcusers.com Bob Dawson (June 3, 2008) - "I am not sure how long you have been hanging around this group, back in the early days of the standard arcs I developed a mod to give the a 630 arc stability in high winds it was called a top skin tuck it is also what we use to fix asymmetric flying. On your 13 m scorpion you could try a 30 MM wide tuck in each side of the kite in the third cell in from the wingtips. For trial purposes you could just tape it up. Cheers Bob Dawson"
  • Make sure the air inlets are not stuck behind the webbing inside
  • Proper pre-inflation: this means as much as air in the kite before launch, this is REALLY important
  • Try ‘braking’ the kite while launching if it launches to fast. With braking we mean pull in the bar to stall the kite a little bit and when it wants to (tip/center) collapse stall the kite. This will prevent the collapsing. After that slowly let bar go and the kite will start climbing up in the air again. Let it go slowly and if it tends to collapse again, pull the bar. However with enough pre-inflation this process should be a lot easier and their should almost be no need in stalling the kite.
  • If the break lines are too tight with under inflated kite, the kite might center collapse. If this is the case, loosen the break lines and walk forward, but not too fast and far that the tips want to collapse
  • Push all the air to the tips before launch to make them stable
  • Stable tips are really important during launch
Peter Lynn Twin Skins not inflating fully - I have a new Peter Lynn Venom II/Scorpion and have found the launching difficult

There have been a small number of instances where the Peter Lynn Twin Skins (Venom-II and Scorpion) kites were difficult to launch due to under inflation. In some cases these Twin Skin kites would not fly properly.

What could have happened is that the valves of the kite have become stuck behind the 1st webbing (webbing closest to the leading edge). The webbing will cut off the air intakes and almost no air can get in the kite. If the kite doesn’t fly properly right out of the bag due to under inflation, please make sure all the 5 air intakes are not stuck behind the webbing, and everything will be ok again.

The first photo below shows the correct position of the air intakes.
Correct Air Intake position

Correct Position above

The next photo below shows the incorrect position of the air intakes.
Wrong Air Intake position

Incorrect Position above

The above photos are taken from inside the kite, through the deflate zipper with the kite on its back - the way like you would launch the kite from the beach. The middle air intake is easily done by going with your hand through the deflate zipper, the others you will have to do them from outside the kite.

On behalf of our suppliers, please accept our apologies for the inconvenience caused by this.


New Kite - Line Lengths - I recently purchase a new Pepper and the kite flew to one side.
Please read the Instruction and Safety Manual that came with your kite. For a four line set, always make sure both top lines are equal, and both rear lines are equal. Make sure the difference between top and rear lines is no more than two centimeters. Please do not fly any four line kite without the above line setup or you will not have full control. The kite, or other object in the area of the kite could become damaged without full control of the kite. From our experience we have found that all sleeved and knotted line sets need an adjustment before flying the kite.
Repairing a Twin Skin - I own a Peter Lynn Arc 840 (old version, 5 years old) and I got a tear in the Chikara at the front right connection. It is just the fabric which is torn. The internal lines are in good shape so I just need a patch.
From the Arc manual...

"The Arc is constructed with Chikara, a light weight, hi-tenacity rip stop nylon with a special water repellant coating. Inside the kite you will find low stretch Dyneema reinforcing lines and gauze vents in the tips of each profile to provide evenly distributed inflation. The tips are reinforced with EXEL-strong carbon fibre tubes in Cordura sleeves.

Construction and Repairs All panels are taped and sewn for strength and water proofing. Line loads are taken into the Arc via Dyneema cording sewn to the inner surfaces of the upper and lower skins. For spanwise strength there is a 300 kgm cord sewn from tip to tip. For small puncture type holes, clear mylar repair film works very well and is always colour matched. For repairing structural damage open the trailing edge (unpick the sewing thread without damaging the ripstop sailcloth), stick fabric patches on using double sided adhesive tape and then over sew. The tape's adhesive layer improves joint strength and seals the stitching. Always use new tape to stick the trailing edge before re-sewing but it isn't necessary to also remove any old tape that is still in place.."


Tensylon Line - Can the Tensylon Line you sell be made in a tube form?
The simple answer is no.

It is important to understand what Tensylon is. Tensylon is made from ultra-high molecular weight polyethylene. Spectra and Dyneema are also made from ultra-high weight polyethylene, however the polyethylene used in Tenyslon is about 100 to 1000 times higher than that used for Dyneema and Spectra. The reason there is a range is because the polyethylene in it’s raw form is a powder and the chemical reaction that makes it generates a range of molecular weight particles. This powder is then subjected to extreme pressures and tightly controlled temperatures as it is passed through rollers to make a very thin sheet that is then slit to form fibers and then the fibers are woven into what you see. If the temperature is raised even slightly beyond the threshold the polyethylene drops in molecular weight and becomes closer to Dyneema and Spectra in abraision resistance and strength and if you continue to raise the temperature it becomes normal polyethylene. If you try to make it in a tube there are a number of problems: the greatest being how do you apply sufficient pressure while making a tube form and secondly if you could how do you keep the temperature throughout the material at the critical point so that the molecules bond together without turning into standard polyethylene.


Spars - Cutting, Attaching, Connecting - Tips for designing your kite frame. I recently purchased a pair of single piece spars so that I can use the folding spars when I'm on vacation with my Twin Skins or as a backup. How can I cut the spars to the right length?
Spars - Cutting

Cutting can be done by using a fine toothed saw, most commonly a metal saw. To avoid splitting it is preferred to tape (masking tape) the spar before cutting. Be careful with the carbon dust as it can damage electric equipment.

Spars - Attaching

Connectors and fittings can be glued on the carbon spar. For plastic connectors we recommend cyanoacrylatic glue, also know as superglue or crazy glue. For mounting aluminum and brass connectors, two-component epoxy glue is the strongest and best to use. Even electricians tape works very well to fix a joint and this make s it easy to replace the connector

Spars - Connecting

The best way to connect spars is the combination between an outside ferrule (brass or aluminum) and inside ferrule (RCF or RF). If this is not possible - use the outside ferrule. Please remember that a connection will always be the weak link in the kite frame; we prefer to use spars without connections.


Spar Length Comparisons of Compact sticks used with Twin Skins (per spec)

One piece replacement spars come in 100/125/150cm lengths. These are the Exel carbonfibre tube Strong 10 9.9mm outer/7.5mm inner diameter from the parts list. The vertical grey bars are the stock 1 piece spar sets that we have. Choose the spar length to the right of your kite. For example, if you need a one piece compact stick replacement spar for a Phantom 12m (116cm), order a 125cm spar and cut it to fit the spar pocket. Aluminum spars were introduced starting with the Venom-II. Updated 2008.Jun.11

For complete kite specifications, check their respective links

Kite/Spar Length (cm) 73 81 82 83 90 91 93 95 97 99 100 102 105.5 107 109 110 111 116 118.7 119.5 120 121.5 125 127 127.5 129 130 132 140 150 150
Synergy 6                                                              
Synergy 8                 97                                      
Synergy 10                         107.5                              
Synergy  12                                     119                  
Synergy 15                                               129.5        
Synergy 19                                                     143.5  
Synergy  24                                                        
     
Vortex 8           92                                            
Vortex 10                     103                                  
Vortex 12                               114                        
Vortex 14                                         122.5              
Vortex 17                                                   135    
     
Scorpion 7             93                                          
Scorpion 10                                     119                  
Scorpion 13                                           127            
Scorpion 16                                                     142  
     
VenomII 8       87                                                
VenomII 10                 97                                      
VenomII 13                           109.5                            
VenomII 16                                         122.5              
VenomII 19                                                   137    
     
Venom 8     85                                                  
Venom 10             93                                          
Venom 13                       105.5                                
Venom 16                                   118.5     121.5?              
Venom 19                                                   131.5    
      2+18.5*                 2+37.5           3+16.5               3+29.5    
  Spar Length appro.x formula ((n*42)-(n*8))+extra, where n=number of full length 42cm spar pieces, ie. 105.5=((2*42)-(2*8))+37.5, the reason to subtract the (n*8) is you lose 5cm on the non-sleeved end and 3cm on the sleeved end, a total of 8cm.  
Phantom 6   81                                                    
Phantom 9                   99                                    
Phantom 12                                 116                      
Phantom 15                                               129        
Phantom 18                                                     140  
Guerilla-II 9 73                                                      
Guerilla-II 11     82                                                  
Guerilla-II 13         90                                              
Guerilla-II 15                 97                                      
Guerilla-II 18                                     119.5                  
Guerilla-II 22                                             127.5          
Bomba 8.5       83                                                
Bomba 10.5           91                                            
Bomba 13                     102                                  
Bomba 15                               111                        
Bomba 17                                 116                      
Bomba 20                                           127            

Early Arcs (Standard, F-Arc, Guerilla) were designed with one piece full length spars. As a replacement, you can either use a full length cut spars or an equivalent folding spar and cut to size. It's best to order a bit longer than you need and cut to fit your pocket as it may have stretched slightly. Cut it using a hack saw and sand to finish the roughness. Make sure to use the rubber caps on the ends to protect the spar ends with the fabric.

Guerilla 10                           107                                  
Guerilla 13                                                 130      
Guerilla 15                                                     140  
Guerilla 18                                                       150
F-Arc 1200                           109                            
F-Arc 1600                                       120                
S-Arc 460     82                                                  
S-Arc 460 Projected Area 3.3m2    
S-Arc 630               95                                        
S-Arc 630 Projected Area 4.5m2    
S-Arc 840                             110                          
S-Arc 840 Projected Area 6.0m2    
S-Arc 1120                                           127            
S-Arc 1120 Projected Area 8.0m2    
S-Arc 1510                                           127            
S-Arc 1510 Projected Area 11.0m2    
I've used foils for a long time and would like to know how the sizes compare to Peter Lynn Twin Skins (TS).

Foils traditionally perform differently than TSs. You'll need a larger TS than a foil, but the depowerability of the TS will give it a larger window. In the past you may have needed 4-5 foils to cover the wind ranges. With the depowerability of the TSs, you may only need 3 TSs.

Foil Size Equivalent Twin Skin Size
2-3 m2 Phantom 6 / Guerilla-II 9
4-5.5 m2 Phantom 12 / Guerilla-II 11-13
5.5-8 m2 Phantom 15 / Guerilla-II 15
Note: most popular size for winter, also much of this comparison depends on riders ability, and terrain

Comparing LEIs to Venoms on the low end of the wind range (source)

Venom size LEI equivalent
Venom 19 Inflatable 16-17
Venom 16 Inflatable 14
Venom 13 Inflatable 11-11.5
Venom 10 Inflatable 8-9

I'm looking for a new supplier of C-line (Dyneema SK-75). Your web-site doesn't mention this product (or did I miss it?). I noticed that you do sell Dyneema.

SK75 fibers have a higher strength than SK65, the difference is 2-3%. It’s also more expensive, 20-30%. In previous years all white lines were SK65 and the colour coated lines were SK75.

From 2004 on, we got rid of the SK65/SK75 terminology.

The reason: For 90% of the customers difference between SK65/75 quality does not have any added value, much more important is the quality of the coating and the way the lines are braided. What we do now is deliver 100% DSM Dyneema, braided and coated in the best possible way to create a thin, slick and affordable line.

In practice this means that every line is a mixture of SK65 and SK75 quality. All Peter Lynn products ordered with lines comes with these Dyneema lines. They are also sold separately and also referred as Vector or Vector Quad Pro lines. The pre-cut lines are sleeved and sewn ready to fly.


Replacing the spars on a C-Quad?

To replace the pivoting T-Joint remove the leading edge.

No sewing is needed to replace the leading edge. Use a sharp pointy instrument like a darning needle to give slack to all the knots in the bridle lines that connect to the leading edge (keep the bridle intact).

On one of the wing tips there is a little opening or small slit in the black sleeve material (approx. 4cm up from the end) to remove the Leading Edge (LE). Most of the openings are located on the right tips when facing the kite from a flying position.

With a little pushing and shoving you can work the end of the fiber (glass/carbon) spar to this slit and remove the whole thing bit by bit from the sleeve. (Beware of carbon fiber splinters while doing this). [Tip: If you have a long enough piece left over, you could possibly use this as a spare rib spar.]

With the openings next to the connectors, cut the leading edges in pieces for easy removing of the leading edge.
 
Replace the leading edge by putting the new LE in the opening on the tip. Replace any pivoting T-Joints if required. When feeding the leading edge spar through, don't forget to feed it through the pivoting T-Joint connectors.
 
A new spar will be 'oversized'. Trim the end off using a hack saw and flip it in.

For C-Quad specifications, see below.

C-Quad

Flat Area

Span

 (cm)

Weight

(grams)

Diameter

When

Kite In Bag

(cm)

Spine Spars Leading Edge Spars

#

Length Diameter Length Diameter
1.4 245 350 75 2 2 x ?m   3.9mm   4.4mm
2.2 284 380 75 3 2 x 1.10m 1 x 1.30m 3.9mm 4.1m 3.9mm
3.2 350 580 95 4 2 x 1.10m 2 x 1.40m 3.9mm 5.1m 3.9mm
4.2 440 680 95 4 2 x 1.32m 2 x 1.70m 3.9mm 5.1m 3.9mm
6.3 520 950 95 4 2 x 1.62m 2 x 2.00m 3.9mm 6.2m 3.9mm
8.5 620 1300 100 5 3 x ?m 2 x ?m 3.9mm 7.0m 4.4mm
Note: All the spare rods are oversized; they will need to be trimmed to the right length

We also sell a 4mm x 40mm Brass connector or ferrel that can be used to temporary fix (depending on the break) a spar. The part number is PVM04040.


I am an avid downhill skier and am interested in trying Kite Skiing. I am an expert skier, but have no experience with Kite Sailing or other wind sports.
Because you're an accomplished skier, you've got a great head start both with equipment and skill. All we have to do is give you some basic wind knowledge and get you started on the kiting. What we should do is find out what equipment you' already have, and we'll fill in the details of what you'll need. The best time to learn to kite sail is anytime there is wind. The Traction kiting which encompasses kite skiing, kite snowboarding, kite buggying, kite surfing, is 90% flying the kite. Practicing off season is one of the best ways to learn as you can really focus on the kite. You won't get dragged down wind because you'll be able to walk and fly anywhere you like.
In the May and June issues of the Peter Lynn monthly news letter, there was mention of an 650km expedition using Guerilla-IIs. As I understand, G-IIs are typically for water use. How did the team come to use water relaunchables over traditional ram air foils.
They have used G-IIs over Ram Airs for 2 main reasons:
1 - Power control - depower is very important in gusty conditions
2 - Much MUCH better upwind performance - which Ben Deacon has done A LOT of testing with various kite designs.

You carry both Dyneema (Kilograms) and Q-Powerline (Pounds) kite line. Of the line strengths you regularly stock, how do they compare?
Most of the regularly stock lines are highlighted.

The Dyneema is pre-cut and sleeved according to the table below. The Q-PowerLine is cut to length.

20/25m
75.00
165.35
66/82ft
 
80.00
176.37
 
 
85.00
187.39
 
 
90.00
198.42
 
 
95.00
209.44
 
 
100.00
220.46
 
 
105.00
231.49
 
20/25m
110.00
242.51
66/82ft
 
115.00
253.53
 
 
120.00
264.55
 
 
125.00
275.58
 
 
130.00
286.60
 
 
135.00
297.62
 
 
140.00
308.65
 
 
145.00
319.67
 
 
150.00
330.69
 
 
155.00
341.72
 
 
160.00
352.74
 
 
165.00
363.76
 
20/25/30m
170.00
374.79
66/82/99ft
 
175.00
385.81
 
 
180.00
396.83
 
 
185.00
407.85
 
 
190.00
418.88
 
 
195.00
429.90
 
 
200.00
440.92
 
 
205.00
451.95
 
30m
210.00
462.97
 
 
215.00
473.99
 
 
220.00
485.02
 
 
225.00
496.04
 
 
230.00
507.06
 
 
235.00
518.09
 
 
240.00
529.11
 
 
245.00
540.13
 
 
250.00
551.16
 
 
255.00
562.18
 
 
260.00
573.20
 
 
265.00
584.22
 
27m
270.00
595.25
89ft
 
275.00
606.27
 
 
280.00
617.29
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


When I unwind my lines off the kite bar before I go riding, the lines have so many twists. I spend so much time untwisting and not riding. It's very frustrating. Do you sell lines that don't twist?

Here's a topic that deservers some attention.

As a new rider, it all comes down to technique. There are different techniques for different set ups. How stiff are your lines and are you using a kite bar or handles?

Notes:

  1. The stiffer/thicker the line, the more likely they are to get twists.

  2. If you wind in a circular motion twisting will occur.

Winding lines on a Kite Bar

Because you're winding over the ends of the bar, this technique is simpler than winding on handles. Gather all the lines together at the bar end and start wrapping back and forth from one side of the bar to the other. As mentioned above if you wind in a constant circular motion, you will put twists in the lines as you wind them on the bar. Unless you unwind in exactly the same way, your lines will likely get twisted. Instead of the circular motion, criss-cross the winding in a figure eight  pattern across the bar. Every so often you can even put a lock loop on one or both ends of the bar and especially at the very end of the lines closest to the kite. This should reduce most of the twisting.

Winding lines on a pair of Kite Handles

As this is difficult to explain, we should probably include some pictures. But bare with us for a while until we have some images. We hope to eventually have a video for this one.


Is there somewhere on the Rebble kite that I can see the size?

Rebbles come in the following sizes 2.5, 3.5, 5.0, and 6.5 square meters. On the right side of the kite when the leading open edge is facing upward, the size is printed in the Rebble logo. 3.5 square meters means the kite when lying flat on the ground is 3.5 square meters.


History of Traction Kiting (This is probably one of the best pieces)?
http://www.peterlynnkites.com/web/1archive/pages/tractionhistory.htm

 
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